Appassionata Sonata 4-5 trills

[nik]

So far this sonata had been alrite technically for me, until i came to
these 4-5 trills with the thumb and second finger held down. I was
wondering if there is any technique suggested to ease these trills, or
is it just constant drills with the 4th and 5th fingers to get them up
to speed.

[Cc88m]

which bar of which movement?
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[nik]

Post by Cc88m
which bar of which movement?
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Its the first movement bars 138 and 142 i think, very small section.

[Thomas F. Unke]

Post by nik
Its the first movement bars 138 and 142 i think, very small section.

Yep, it's a 4-5 trill. Not much to do there except to practice...

[Cc88m]

Post by nik
Its the first movement bars 138 and 142 i think, very small section.

Those don't have to be 45 trills, they can be 35 or 34. The "standard"
fingering, I believe, is 453535......

the trick is to start the 45 very quickly -- see section on trills in link
below.
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[Thomas F. Unke]

Post by Cc88m
Those don't have to be 45 trills, they can be 35 or 34. The "standard"
fingering, I believe, is 453535......

35 Won't work, as you have to play the C with 3.

Either Henle and the Schnabel Edition write 45 fingerings. I don't
think any other is practical here.

[Cc88m]

Post by Thomas F. Unke
35 Won't work, as you have to play the C with 3

why not the 2?
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[Thomas F. Unke]

Post by Cc88m

Post by Thomas F. Unke
35 Won't work, as you have to play the C with 3

why not the 2?

12 is already in use for the f-b chord.

[Cc88m]

Post by Thomas F. Unke
12 is already in use for the f-b chord.

Right; but in my score, there is no dot on the b, only on the f.
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[Thomas F. Unke]

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Post by Thomas F. Unke
12 is already in use for the f-b chord.

Right; but in my score, there is no dot on the b, only on the f.

Both, in Henle Urtext and Schnabel Edition, there is the dot on both
the f and b. Which is also logical from the context.

I strongly recommend for interpretation and fingerings of the
Beethoven sonatas Artur Schnabel's edition. (and his recordings too)

IMHO nothing better to learn the subtleties of these sonatas.