*Piano related web site in the UK

[Barrie Heaton]

Piano Manufacturers :

John Broadwood & Sons Pianos
http://www.uk-piano.org/broadwood/

Bluthner UK Ltd
http://www.bluthner-piano.co.uk/

Kemble Pianos
http://www.uk-piano.org/kemble/

Period Piano Company (makers of early pianos)
http://www.periodpiano.com/

Poletti & Tuinmann (makers of left hand Forte-Pianos)
http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/

Yamaha UK
http://www.yamaha-music.co.uk/

Piano Parts, Materials and tools:

Acrylikey Ivory Repair System UK
http://www.acrylikey.co.uk/

Fletcher & Newman Piano parts and tools
http://www.fletcher-newman.co.uk/

Heckscher Piano Parts and tools
http://www.uk-piano.org/heckscher/

Ken Russell Piano Strings
http://www.uk-piano.org/russell/

Piano Removals Equipment

The Music box
http://www.pianoplus.co.uk/removal-equipment/index.html

Fletcher & Newman Piano parts and tools
http://www.fletcher-newman.co.uk/

Heckscher Piano Parts and tools
http://www.uk-piano.org/heckscher/

Piano Movers:

List of UK removal company's:
http://www.uk-piano.org/movers.html

Piano Stools Manufacturers:

John Austin Furniture
( also CD, Video and Audio Tape Storage, Sheet Music Storage,)
http://www.uk-piano.org/jaf/

Tozer Piano Stools
http://www.tozer-piano-stools.co.uk

Piano Stools buy online:

The Music Box
http://www.pianoplus.co.uk/piano-stools/index.html

Piano Forums
For all your UK Piano related enquires
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/index.php


Piano Teachers:

UK Qualified Piano Teachers
http://www.uk-piano.org/teachers/

UK Piano Teachers forum
http://www.uk-piano.org/teachers_group.html

Piano Accompanists:

U.K. Piano Accompanists
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-accompanists/

Piano Entertainers:

UK Piano Entertainers
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-entertainers/

Qualified Piano Tuners:

ABPT
http://www.abpt.org.uk/

PTA
http://www.pianotuner.org.uk/

Pianos for sale private:

Market Place
http://www.uk-piano.org/used-pianos-for-sale/

Virtual Pianoshop
http://www.pianoshop.co.uk/

Piano Hire
Hire a piano for a concert or music festivals
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-hire/

Pianos Wanted
Advertise for that you want
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/viewforum.php?f=4


Pianos for Sale by Shops:

List of retail shops selling pianos in the UK
http://www.uk-piano.org/market_trade/a_list_of_shops.html

Market Trade
http://www.uk-piano.org/pianos-for-sale-trade/

Virtual Pianoshop
http://www.pianoshop.co.uk/


Piano History:

Piano History Pages
http://www.uk-piano.org/history/
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-gen/

Piano History Forum
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/viewforum.php?f=2

Player Pianos or Pianolas:

Player Piano Group
http://www.playerpianogroup.org.uk/

The Player Piano Page
http://www.pianola.demon.co.uk/index.htm

Pianola Institute
http://www.pianola.org/


Music:

Looking for some old music put an ad here
http://www.uk-piano.org/music/looking_for_music.html

Selling that old bit of music put an ad here
http://www.uk-piano.org/music/selling_music.html


Silent Systems:

Gabor Silent Systems
http://www.uk-piano.org/gabor/

UK Related FAQ
http://www.uk-piano.org/faq/


French Polishers
http://www.uk-piano.org/french-polishers/index.html


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[s***@here.now]

I am not in the UK but that was very nice for you
to share your sources.

[Barrie Heaton]

Post by s***@here.now
I am not in the UK but that was very nice for you
to share your sources.

You are welcome

The reason I post it, about once a moth is because the
rec.music.makers.piano FAQ is ridiculously out of date and repeated
emails since 1997 to have it updated are never replied to, so I gave up

Take care

Barrie,

[H. Emmerson Meyers]

My question is this: Why can't the UK make a decent grand, or any grand at
all for that matter???

Post by Barrie Heaton
John Broadwood & Sons Pianos
http://www.uk-piano.org/broadwood/
Bluthner UK Ltd
http://www.bluthner-piano.co.uk/
Kemble Pianos
http://www.uk-piano.org/kemble/
Period Piano Company (makers of early pianos)
http://www.periodpiano.com/
Poletti & Tuinmann (makers of left hand Forte-Pianos)
http://www.lefthandedpiano.co.uk/
Yamaha UK
http://www.yamaha-music.co.uk/
Acrylikey Ivory Repair System UK
http://www.acrylikey.co.uk/
Fletcher & Newman Piano parts and tools
http://www.fletcher-newman.co.uk/
Heckscher Piano Parts and tools
http://www.uk-piano.org/heckscher/
Ken Russell Piano Strings
http://www.uk-piano.org/russell/
Piano Removals Equipment
The Music box
http://www.pianoplus.co.uk/removal-equipment/index.html
Fletcher & Newman Piano parts and tools
http://www.fletcher-newman.co.uk/
Heckscher Piano Parts and tools
http://www.uk-piano.org/heckscher/
http://www.uk-piano.org/movers.html
John Austin Furniture
( also CD, Video and Audio Tape Storage, Sheet Music Storage,)
http://www.uk-piano.org/jaf/
Tozer Piano Stools
http://www.tozer-piano-stools.co.uk
The Music Box
http://www.pianoplus.co.uk/piano-stools/index.html
Piano Forums
For all your UK Piano related enquires
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/index.php
UK Qualified Piano Teachers
http://www.uk-piano.org/teachers/
UK Piano Teachers forum
http://www.uk-piano.org/teachers_group.html
U.K. Piano Accompanists
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-accompanists/
UK Piano Entertainers
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-entertainers/
ABPT
http://www.abpt.org.uk/
PTA
http://www.pianotuner.org.uk/
Market Place
http://www.uk-piano.org/used-pianos-for-sale/
Virtual Pianoshop
http://www.pianoshop.co.uk/
Piano Hire
Hire a piano for a concert or music festivals
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-hire/
Pianos Wanted
Advertise for that you want
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/viewforum.php?f=4
List of retail shops selling pianos in the UK
http://www.uk-piano.org/market_trade/a_list_of_shops.html
Market Trade
http://www.uk-piano.org/pianos-for-sale-trade/
Virtual Pianoshop
http://www.pianoshop.co.uk/
Piano History Pages
http://www.uk-piano.org/history/
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-gen/
Piano History Forum
http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/viewforum.php?f=2
Player Piano Group
http://www.playerpianogroup.org.uk/
The Player Piano Page
http://www.pianola.demon.co.uk/index.htm
Pianola Institute
http://www.pianola.org/
Looking for some old music put an ad here
http://www.uk-piano.org/music/looking_for_music.html
Selling that old bit of music put an ad here
http://www.uk-piano.org/music/selling_music.html
Gabor Silent Systems
http://www.uk-piano.org/gabor/
UK Related FAQ
http://www.uk-piano.org/faq/
French Polishers
http://www.uk-piano.org/french-polishers/index.html
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[Barrie Heaton]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
My question is this: Why can't the UK make a decent grand, or any grand at
all for that matter???

The only grand being make in the UK at the moment in the left hand one
and that's in very small numbers. The Broadwood Knight and Kemble grand
s are all made overseas. Bluthner's make the Broadwood and Knight and
Yamaha make the Kemble Grand

We now only have one manufacture who make pianos in the UK Kemble and
the factory is tooled up for uprights it is the biggest in Europe. To
tool this factory up for grand production would be too expensive.

They have a free DVD sowing the factory its double sided in PAL and
NTSC format.

http://www.uk-piano.org/kemble/frameset.html

click on pianos and scroll down

Barrie,

[H. Emmerson Meyers]

But WHY?????

Post by Barrie Heaton

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
My question is this: Why can't the UK make a decent grand, or any grand at
all for that matter???

The only grand being make in the UK at the moment in the left hand one
and that's in very small numbers. The Broadwood Knight and Kemble grand
s are all made overseas. Bluthner's make the Broadwood and Knight and
Yamaha make the Kemble Grand
We now only have one manufacture who make pianos in the UK Kemble and
the factory is tooled up for uprights it is the biggest in Europe. To
tool this factory up for grand production would be too expensive.
They have a free DVD sowing the factory its double sided in PAL and
NTSC format.
http://www.uk-piano.org/kemble/frameset.html
click on pianos and scroll down
Barrie,
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Post by Barrie Heaton
The U.K. Piano Page © http://www.uk-piano.org/
Home to the UK Piano Industry

[Barrie Heaton]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
But WHY?????

Cost and cheep Far East imports

Barrie,

[just me]

"H. Emmerson Meyers
writes

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
My question is this: Why can't the UK make a decent grand, or any grand at
all for that matter???

That is an excellent question and which i have asked myself. English
grands such as Collard & Collard,Chappel , Challen, Wellmar , Marshall &
Rose , Brinsmead , Kirkman etc etc are all very dull sounding with little
attack and no brilliance. The exception IMO is Broadwood into which
Beethoven himself had much input.
Strangely, the English made some very impressive "baby" grand pianos in the
years 1890-1940 so maybe the manufacturers tried to capture the " home -
furniture " market , and leave the serious stuff to the Germans and
Americans.

[H. Emmerson Meyers]

Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't make
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and sets on
the British empire??

Post by just me
"H. Emmerson Meyers
writes

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
My question is this: Why can't the UK make a decent grand, or any grand

at

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
all for that matter???

That is an excellent question and which i have asked myself. English
grands such as Collard & Collard,Chappel , Challen, Wellmar , Marshall &
Rose , Brinsmead , Kirkman etc etc are all very dull sounding with little
attack and no brilliance. The exception IMO is Broadwood into which
Beethoven himself had much input.
Strangely, the English made some very impressive "baby" grand pianos in the
years 1890-1940 so maybe the manufacturers tried to capture the " home -
furniture " market , and leave the serious stuff to the Germans and
Americans.

[Barrie Heaton]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't make
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and sets on
the British empire??

Very much so that was like our domestic market and the UK industry did
tend to focus the middle range to lower end of the market after WW1
which at the time is were the money was and lest face it you make pianos
to make a profit.

Our domestic market is only 52 million potential buyers compared to
the US which has 512 million potential buyers, now if you reduced the
US pop to 52 million how many piano manufactures in the US would
survive the cheep imports as there is only a percentage of buyers who
support the home market so the smaller your home market the more you
have to export and compete with cheaper overseas labour.

That brings up back to grands the market is smaller the buyers tend to
be more discerning, so unless you make a good grands which the UK gave
up on in the 1920 it is not worth spending the money tooling up a
factory to compete with the other cheep pianos - unless you tend to come
up market and there is too much capacity in that area as it si

Barrie,

[pTooner]

Post by Barrie Heaton

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't make
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and sets on
the British empire??

Very much so that was like our domestic market and the UK industry did
tend to focus the middle range to lower end of the market after WW1
which at the time is were the money was and lest face it you make pianos
to make a profit.
Our domestic market is only 52 million potential buyers compared to
the US which has 512 million potential buyers, now if you reduced the
US pop to 52 million how many piano manufactures in the US would
survive the cheep imports

Let's face it, only two have survived as it is, and their's are very special
market positions.

as there is only a percentage of buyers who

Post by Barrie Heaton
support the home market so the smaller your home market the more you
have to export and compete with cheaper overseas labour.
That brings up back to grands the market is smaller the buyers tend to
be more discerning, so unless you make a good grands which the UK gave
up on in the 1920 it is not worth spending the money tooling up a
factory to compete with the other cheep pianos - unless you tend to come
up market and there is too much capacity in that area as it si
Barrie,
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Post by Barrie Heaton
The U.K. Piano Page © http://www.uk-piano.org/
Home to the UK Piano Industry

[Engineer]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't make
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and sets on
the British empire??

It may be related to the fact that they can't make motorcycles either!
(I used to have a BSA "Star Twin".)

Cheers,

Roger (ex. Brit, now in Canada)

[Flash Fyre]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits

can't make

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and

sets on

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
the British empire??

It may be related to the fact that they can't make motorcycles either!
(I used to have a BSA "Star Twin".)

hmmm...my pal at work rides a 2003 triumph bonneville and another friend
has an order in on a 2004 triumph bonneville thruxton...plus CCM makes
some very interesting bikes (albeit assembled from mostly foreign parts).

sorry for the OT post, but this could not go unanswered!

---
John

[Engineer]

Post by Flash Fyre

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits

can't make

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises and

sets on

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
the British empire??

It may be related to the fact that they can't make motorcycles either!
(I used to have a BSA "Star Twin".)

hmmm...my pal at work rides a 2003 triumph bonneville and another friend
has an order in on a 2004 triumph bonneville thruxton...plus CCM makes
some very interesting bikes (albeit assembled from mostly foreign parts).
sorry for the OT post, but this could not go unanswered!
---
John

Also sorry for O/T! But glad to hear about the 2003 and 2004 Triumph
Bonnevilles. Gotta go and play some Mozart Sonatas, i.e. back on
topic! Phew!

Cheers,

Roger

[Mike]

Strange why the UK doesn't bother with Grand's any more. Germany, Austria
and France still make Grand Pianos, Bechstein, Zimmerman, Bosendorfer,
Pleyel etc, and they are just as much in competition with far east imports
as the UK. Steinway's are also built in Hamburg, Germany I believe as well
as New York.
Don't Kemble and Broadwood still produce Grand's?

Mike Gisbourne
www.mgnetuk.com

Post by Engineer

Post by Flash Fyre

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits

can't make

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises

and

Post by Flash Fyre

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
sets on

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
the British empire??

It may be related to the fact that they can't make motorcycles

either!

Post by Flash Fyre

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
(I used to have a BSA "Star Twin".)

hmmm...my pal at work rides a 2003 triumph bonneville and another

friend

Post by Flash Fyre
has an order in on a 2004 triumph bonneville thruxton...plus CCM

makes

Post by Flash Fyre
some very interesting bikes (albeit assembled from mostly foreign

parts).

Post by Flash Fyre
sorry for the OT post, but this could not go unanswered!
---
John

Also sorry for O/T! But glad to hear about the 2003 and 2004 Triumph
Bonnevilles. Gotta go and play some Mozart Sonatas, i.e. back on
topic! Phew!
Cheers,
Roger

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Post by Mike
Strange why the UK doesn't bother with Grand's any more. Germany, Austria
and France still make Grand Pianos, Bechstein, Zimmerman, Bosendorfer,
Pleyel etc, and they are just as much in competition with far east imports
as the UK. Steinway's are also built in Hamburg, Germany I believe as well
as New York.
Don't Kemble and Broadwood still produce Grand's?
Mike Gisbourne
www.mgnetuk.com

Yes it is very strange considering that the English had a lot to do with
the development of the modern grand piano. England has has a rather good
piano heritage which now seems to be abandoned.
Pianos are not big earners compared to other products but even so , I
would suspect that there is a nice little cottage industry there for some
astute manufacturer / entrepreneur who could market a high quality English
Grand piano for export.
Names such as Welmar , Chappell , Challen , Broadwood , Marshal & Rose ,
Brinsmead , Knight and Collard & Collard should not be lost.
Imagine the huge potential of selling these brands to the huge Chinese
domestic market alone!
But OTOH , greater icons such as Rolls Royce and Harrods have been
squandered so I suppose the humble piano doesn't stand much chance.

[Thomas F. Unke]

Post by Mike
Strange why the UK doesn't bother with Grand's any more. Germany, Austria
and France still make Grand Pianos, Bechstein, Zimmerman, Bosendorfer,
Pleyel etc, and they are just as much in competition with far east imports
as the UK. Steinway's are also built in Hamburg, Germany I believe as well
as New York.

Good question.

But the market for high quality pianos is thin. Bechstein had big
problems to survive and many companies have gone bankrupt in the
recent decades.

Every small piano company has to compete with the mass market (Yamaha,
Samick, chinese brands). This is a difficult thing, as most people
would not hear a difference between a Yamaha and, say, a Bechstein or
Bösendorfer. And to compete with the better brands would make a piano
very expensive.

[d***@cix.compulink.co.uk]

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't
make a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises
and sets on the British empire??

To judge from British-Empire-vintage pianos surviving in the UK, the
British never could make a really good grand, so the question is somewhat
academic. I'm impressed by the Victorian Collard & Collard grands I've
heard, but they're not in the class of the contemporary Steinways.

The best budget grands - i.e. in the realm of pianos affordable by
ordinary people - marketed in England in Edwardian times were the Steck
sold by the Orchestrelle/Aeolian Company between 1906 and 1916. These
were actually German and were rebadged Munck pianos made in Gotha,
Saxony. Both the uprights and the grands were outstanding value and some
superb in their own right. Aeolian soft-pedalled the German origin very
successfully. After 1914 Steck pianos reached England by virtue of being
exported to America on neutral ships, having the order changed en route
and being prematurely unloaded somewhere like Southampton.

Chappell made some good pianos by accident but I've never heard a
Broadwood I'd want to buy. The Welmar was excellent but being a Bluethner
in disguise, really ranked as a "name" piano, with a price to match.

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Were the American George Stecks made in Germany?? I didn't know this.

Post by d***@cix.compulink.co.uk

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Is there perhaps some connection between the fact that the Brits can't
make a grand piano any more and the fact that the sun no longer rises
and sets on the British empire??

To judge from British-Empire-vintage pianos surviving in the UK, the
British never could make a really good grand, so the question is somewhat
academic. I'm impressed by the Victorian Collard & Collard grands I've
heard, but they're not in the class of the contemporary Steinways.
The best budget grands - i.e. in the realm of pianos affordable by
ordinary people - marketed in England in Edwardian times were the Steck
sold by the Orchestrelle/Aeolian Company between 1906 and 1916. These
were actually German and were rebadged Munck pianos made in Gotha,
Saxony. Both the uprights and the grands were outstanding value and some
superb in their own right. Aeolian soft-pedalled the German origin very
successfully. After 1914 Steck pianos reached England by virtue of being
exported to America on neutral ships, having the order changed en route
and being prematurely unloaded somewhere like Southampton.
Chappell made some good pianos by accident but I've never heard a
Broadwood I'd want to buy. The Welmar was excellent but being a Bluethner
in disguise, really ranked as a "name" piano, with a price to match.
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Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Were the American George Stecks made in Germany?? I didn't know this.

The American George Steck pianos were American, and being made at W 48th
St and 9/10th Ave NYC at the time Aeolian bought the firm in 1905. GS had
died on March 31st 1897. Ae Co enlarged the Steck works but at some date
prior to 1920 moved the Steck grand production to the former Weber works
on W 17th St. Steck upright production remained at W 48th St at least
until the Aeolian-American merger in 1932 and maybe longer.

What puzzles me is that the serial numbers of Pianola "cabinet players" -
i.e. the keyboard players nowadays referred to as "pushups", which
preceded the "inner players" (pianos containing player actions), were
harmonized with those of upright Steck players, yet they were being made
at Garwood NJ (where there is still a chimney with IANOLA on it, witness
to a demolition effort which failed). 'Pianola'-named pianos made at
Garwood used a different series. Very confusing.

Steck the man was German, born in Kassel in 1829, but emigrated before he
made his first piano. The Gotha Stecks were an Aeolian Company move made
shortly after they had bought the Steck company. I think the idea was to
try and match the grandeur of Steck tone while manufacturing in Europe to
reduce the cost of selling there. In fact the Gotha Stecks did all of
that and more. The only Gotha-made pianos found in the USA are personal
imports, just as you don't find Wheelock, Stroud or Stuyvesant pianos
(low-end Aeolian brands) in Europe.

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So basically the American and German were the same piano--sort of like
American and Hamburg Steinways.

Post by d***@cix.compulink.co.uk

Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
Were the American George Stecks made in Germany?? I didn't know this.

The American George Steck pianos were American, and being made at W 48th
St and 9/10th Ave NYC at the time Aeolian bought the firm in 1905. GS had
died on March 31st 1897. Ae Co enlarged the Steck works but at some date
prior to 1920 moved the Steck grand production to the former Weber works
on W 17th St. Steck upright production remained at W 48th St at least
until the Aeolian-American merger in 1932 and maybe longer.
What puzzles me is that the serial numbers of Pianola "cabinet players" -
i.e. the keyboard players nowadays referred to as "pushups", which
preceded the "inner players" (pianos containing player actions), were
harmonized with those of upright Steck players, yet they were being made
at Garwood NJ (where there is still a chimney with IANOLA on it, witness
to a demolition effort which failed). 'Pianola'-named pianos made at
Garwood used a different series. Very confusing.
Steck the man was German, born in Kassel in 1829, but emigrated before he
made his first piano. The Gotha Stecks were an Aeolian Company move made
shortly after they had bought the Steck company. I think the idea was to
try and match the grandeur of Steck tone while manufacturing in Europe to
reduce the cost of selling there. In fact the Gotha Stecks did all of
that and more. The only Gotha-made pianos found in the USA are personal
imports, just as you don't find Wheelock, Stroud or Stuyvesant pianos
(low-end Aeolian brands) in Europe.
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Post by H. Emmerson Meyers
So basically the American and German were the same piano--sort of like
American and Hamburg Steinways.

If you think NY and Hamburg Steinways are the same, then I won't argue
with you. For those who can tell one piano from another, the two types of
Steck were the same only in that they were fabulous value in the way few
new pianos ever are. The NY Steck had a solid and noble tone, though some
of the uprights were astonishingly loud. The Gotha Steck was in the same
general family but most of the grands had real character. The Aeolian Co
left the factory in Gotha to its own devices and it went on making the
same pianos it had under the Munck name.

After Ludwig Hupfeld bought the Gotha works from Aeolian in 1924, they
tried to get the workforce to make a cheap low-end piano since they
already had the very fine Roenisch of their own made in Leipzig, and had
no cooperation. After decades of housing a state cardboard-making plant,
the quite striking building, doubled in size by Aeolian in 1908, is now a
shopping centre.

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[NWPPA]

Hi ,
Next time you update your list please will you add ,"The North West Player Piano Association" Our web address www.pianola.org.uk

Feel free to have a look around our site - we have been around for 40 years.
NOTE the web address above is relatively new and it currently redirects users automatically to our 'old' site at Freeserve, but this is becoming very difficult to update so we are gradually transferring things over.

Thanks for your interest.
Bob Kissick NWPPA WebBod.

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