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Dead Group? What happened?
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masonc
2011-05-10 04:56:21 UTC
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At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.

Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?

masonc
Jean-David Beyer
2011-05-10 16:28:19 UTC
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masonc wrote:
> At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>
> Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>
> masonc

There were three posts yesterday May 9.
There was a post May 6.
There were two posts May 4.
I replied to a similar post of yours May 2.

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masonc
2011-05-11 07:12:44 UTC
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On Tue, 10 May 2011 12:28:19 -0400, Jean-David Beyer
<***@verizon.net> wrote:

>masonc wrote:
>> At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
>> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>>
>> Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
>> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>>
>> masonc
>
>There were three posts yesterday May 9.
>There was a post May 6.
>There were two posts May 4.
>I replied to a similar post of yours May 2.

Yes, you did that. Thank you.
Why are you here?
Where should I be?

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masonc
Jean-David Beyer
2011-05-11 14:30:15 UTC
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masonc wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 12:28:19 -0400, Jean-David Beyer
> <***@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> masonc wrote:
>>> At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
>>> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>>>
>>> Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
>>> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>>>
>>> masonc
>> There were three posts yesterday May 9.
>> There was a post May 6.
>> There were two posts May 4.
>> I replied to a similar post of yours May 2.
>
> Yes, you did that. Thank you.
> Why are you here?
> Where should I be?
>
> --
> masonc

I do not remember why I signed up. I think it was because I wanted to
learn how to play toy piano, and of course there are few toy piano
teachers. I know one professional toy piano player who would teach me,
but I am not sufficiently advanced to even discuss price with her yet.

Here she is playing an interesting new composition for toy piano.
Interesting to me is that the left hand plays only black keys and the
right hand plays only white keys. Looking at the music, it is
interesting to me how some of what she must do is notated; the giant
clusters she plays with her forearms, for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lav6NQq4Gs

Anyhow, I decided I better get an adult piano to use while taking
conventional lessons. I did not have room for one, so I eventually got a
Yamaha P-85, partly with advice from here.


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Steve Freides
2011-05-10 22:18:01 UTC
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masonc wrote:
> At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>
> Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>
> masonc

Much of what was on Usenet is now on various web-based forums instead.

-S-
Mikka
2011-05-12 08:21:07 UTC
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On May 10, 5:56 am, masonc <***@frontal-lobe.info> wrote:
> At one time these two groups  (alt.music.piano-technician  and
> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>
> Are they now dead?  What happened?  What is the alternative?
> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>
> masonc

Try pianoworld.com/forum, although that too seems to have run out of
steam lately.
Radu
2011-05-12 14:08:51 UTC
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On May 10, 7:56 am, masonc <***@frontal-lobe.info> wrote:
> At one time these two groups  (alt.music.piano-technician  and
> rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>
> Are they now dead?  What happened?  What is the alternative?
> Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>
> masonc

Hi, masonc,

rec.music.makers.piano is dead.

in 2004 I got this from Rick Clark:

"After just visiting the chaos of RMMP, I do wish you would visit our
discussions on www.pianoworld.com.

Wading through the garbage and incivility on RMMP just doesn't seem
worth the effort to me. Attempts at actually helping people are
drowned out by choruses of illogic, poor knowledge, aggression, etc.
Pianoworld is not perfect and never can be, but it's a lot more
pleasant I think, and information for consumers a lot better
tempered. Also, friendships develop a lot more there, and many of us
have socialized in "the real world"."

------------

Most of the "veterans" migrated to Pianoworld
and there they gathered into the coffee room and started flame wars
about politics and religion. When the coffee room was closed, they
created three new forums : "The well tempered forum" (liberals - Bush
bashers), "Piano facts"(Larry Fletcher's place - right wing) and "The
New Coffee Room" ( mostly "right" with some suicidal lefties). Almost
no
"piano related" discussions. Iraq / Bush / Gays topics.

See <http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/
2960022933/m/7080022933>

You can find pianoworld on Facebook too. <http://www.facebook.com/
home.php?sk=group_121024684488>

There is a piano forum on pianostreet.com <http://www.facebook.com/
pianostreet>
On pianostreet you can find lots of sheet music (if you pay an annual
fee)

radu focshaner
masonc
2011-05-13 04:41:24 UTC
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Thank you all for the responses. I was wondering if my usenet
server was not serving these piano groups.

http://pianoworld.com may be the place to go but
I haven't explored it yet.

MasonC http://frontal-lobe.info


>On Mon, 09 May 2011 21:56:21 -0700, masonc <***@frontal-lobe.info> wrote:

>At one time these two groups (alt.music.piano-technician and
>rec.music.makers.piano ) were very active and valuable.
>
>Are they now dead? What happened? What is the alternative?
>Are there blogs or forums that replaced them?
>
>masonc
Jean-David Beyer
2011-05-13 15:14:51 UTC
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masonc wrote:
> Thank you all for the responses. I was wondering if my usenet
> server was not serving these piano groups.
>
I do not think that is the problem.

My ISP (Verizon FiOS) first dropped all usenet groups except for the
"big 8." They did not reduce my rates they charged me because of their
reduction in service. I guess they did not get enough complaints,
because they then cut off the usenet completely. Again, they did not
reduce their rates. I suppose they will cut off e-mail next.

The newbies are in the majority. These do not know there is a usenet, so
never use it, at least not directly. They use a web browser to access
the web, their e-mail, and a perversion of the usenet. It is all a part
of the dumbing down of the education level of the world's (and
especially the United State's) population. The purpose of education is
to make obedient employees and consumers. That is why the main medium of
education over the last 6 decades or so has not been libraries and
schools, but television. This is now being replaced by the Internet and
cell phones, just as television replaced radio and newspapers. The
Federalist Papers were, essentially, letters to the editors of
newspapers. People read these things voluntarily because they were
important to them, and because they were directly concerned. When I went
to school, we had to be compelled to read them. Now their name may come
up, but they are not normally read in schools.

As far as playing pianos, people mostly do not do that. Few people
actually make music. They consume music. 200 years ago, they might play
an instrument or sing. Then we "progressed" and then they would go to
concerts and buy records. Even this is giving way to iPods, cell phones,
etc.

In some sense, the number of music makers is probably diminishing, just
as the number of music consumers may be increasing. Those who actually
wish to make music are in a minority niche, just as photographers who
use film are. There may be little need for usenet any more.

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laraine
2011-05-18 00:30:55 UTC
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On May 13, 10:14 am, Jean-David Beyer <***@verizon.net> wrote:
> masonc wrote:
> >  Thank you all for the responses. I was wondering if my usenet
> > server was not serving these piano groups.
>
> I do not think that is the problem.
>
> My ISP (Verizon FiOS) first dropped all usenet groups except for the
> "big 8." They did not reduce my rates they charged me because of their
> reduction in service. I guess they did not get enough complaints,
> because they then cut off the usenet completely. Again, they did not
> reduce their rates. I suppose they will cut off e-mail next.
>
> The newbies are in the majority. These do not know there is a usenet, so
> never use it, at least not directly. They use a web browser to access
> the web, their e-mail, and a perversion of the usenet. It is all a part
> of the dumbing down of the education level of the world's (and
> especially the United State's) population. The purpose of education is
> to make obedient employees and consumers. That is why the main medium of
> education over the last 6 decades or so has not been libraries and
> schools, but television. This is now being replaced by the Internet and
> cell phones, just as television replaced radio and newspapers. The
> Federalist Papers were, essentially, letters to the editors of
> newspapers. People read these things voluntarily because they were
> important to them, and because they were directly concerned. When I went
> to school, we had to be compelled to read them. Now their name may come
> up, but they are not normally read in schools.
>
> As far as playing pianos, people mostly do not do that. Few people
> actually make music. They consume music. 200 years ago, they might play
> an instrument or sing. Then we "progressed" and then they would go to
> concerts and buy records. Even this is giving way to iPods, cell phones,
> etc.

I don't know. There are a bunch of people
on Piano Forums, I suspect many who are
young, who play piano very seriously, many
with an aim of majoring in it in college, or else
entering amateur competitions, etc.

But there are plenty of arguments there
though, too. I recall reading one thread
dealing with how Angela Hewitt isn't
very attractive, which seemed absurd
and unkind --I mean, wait until they're
over 50, and let's see if they look half
that good.

I guess I don't have time for the first
group, and I don't have patience for
the second group.

But on Usenet, the "frequency" in
general seems higher, so fighting
seems more expected to me. (I feel
like a soprano on Usenet and a
tenor-baritone on Piano forums.)

C.

>
> In some sense, the number of music makers is probably diminishing, just
> as the number of music consumers may be increasing. Those who actually
> wish to make music are in a minority niche, just as photographers who
> use film are. There may be little need for usenet any more.
>
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laraine
2011-05-18 23:22:57 UTC
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On May 17, 7:30 pm, laraine <***@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
> I don't know. There are a bunch of people
> on Piano Forums, I suspect many who are
> young, who play piano very seriously, many
> with an aim of majoring in it in college, or else
> entering amateur competitions, etc.
>
> But there are plenty of arguments there
> though, too. I recall reading one thread
> dealing with how Angela Hewitt isn't
> very attractive, which seemed absurd
> and unkind --I mean, wait until they're
> over 50, and let's see if they look half
> that good.

Don't get me wrong --there are many
many polite and informative discussions
there all the time.

C.

>
> I guess I don't have time for the first
> group, and I don't have patience for
> the second group.
>
> But on Usenet, the "frequency" in
> general seems higher, so fighting
> seems more expected to me. (I feel
> like a soprano on Usenet and a
> tenor-baritone on Piano forums.)
>
> C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > In some sense, the number of music makers is probably diminishing, just
> > as the number of music consumers may be increasing. Those who actually
> > wish to make music are in a minority niche, just as photographers who
> > use film are. There may be little need for usenet any more.
>
> > --
> >   .~.  Jean-David Beyer          Registered Linux User 85642.
> >   /V\  PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A         Registered Machine   241939.
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